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I've noticed several authors use the term "damme" meaning "damn me" as in "Damme, I was stupid to do that."

I could not find this term in my unabridged dictionary nor on-line. Is there a period dictionary where it appears?

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I have pilfered this from the on-line Oxford English Dictionary:

1. int. Shortened form of damn me! used as a profane imprecation.

c1645 HOWELL Lett. (1650) I. 237 My Lord Powis..said, dammy if ever he come to be King of England, I will turn rebel. 1652 Total Rout in Commw. Ballads (Percy Soc.) 132 Hee's not a gentleman that wears a sword, And fears to swear dammee at every word. 1791 WOLCOTT (P. Pindar) Magpie & Robin Wks. 1812 II. 476 Damme is it you? 1848 THACKERAY Van. Fair lv, Tandyman wouldn't pay: no, dammy, he wouldn't pay.

2. as n. a. The oath itself, or its utterance.

1775 SHERIDAN Rivals III. iv, Let me begin with a damme. 1823 BYRON Juan XI. xliii, And yet the British ‘Damme's’ rather Attic.

b. transf. A person addicted to using this oath; a profane swearer. Also damme-boy. Obs.

1618 G. MYNSHUL Ess. Prison 45 Though he steale his band of tenne thousand Dam-mees. a1658 CLEVELAND (N.), Punks and dammy-boys. 1662 NEWCOME Diary (Chetham Soc.) 52 The ranting dammees of ye nation. 1674 COTTON Compl. Gamester in Singer Hist. Cards 335 A grand-jury of dammees.

3. attrib. or adj. Obs.

1660 H. ADIS Fannaticks Mite *iijb, That multitude of dammy and debauched Baudy-houses.


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It's all over this bit of HMS Pinafore.

http://math.boisestate.edu/gas/pinafore ... pin18.html

... and a nautical usage as well!

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Many thanks,

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Just as an aside, "dam", as in not to give a, et al, comes from a different route, and refers to the small Indian coin, although it is often, incorrectly, spelt damn.

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Badger wrote:
Just as an aside, "dam", as in not to give a, et al, comes from a different route, and refers to the small Indian coin, although it is often, incorrectly, spelt damn.



The OED seems not to agree with you.


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IONIA wrote:
Badger wrote:
Just as an aside, "dam", as in not to give a, et al, comes from a different route, and refers to the small Indian coin, although it is often, incorrectly, spelt damn.



The OED seems not to agree with you.



I am quoting from a contemporary source:

Dam. A small Indian coin, mentioned in the Gentoo code of laws; hence etymologists may, if they please, derive the - common expression, I do not care a dam, i. e, I do not care half a farthing for it.
A classical dictionary of the vulgar tongue By Francis Grose, 1796

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I am quoting from a contemporary source:

Dam. A small Indian coin, mentioned in the Gentoo code of laws; hence etymologists may, if they please, derive the - common expression, I do not care a dam, i. e, I do not care half a farthing for it.
A classical dictionary of the vulgar tongue By Francis Grose, 1796



You will have noticed that Grose has not offered his own opinion and is very careful to avoid sponsoring this derivation himself.

I am not supporting either view of the matter, merely pointing out the OED's stance.


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IONIA wrote:
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I am not supporting either view of the matter, merely pointing out the OED's stance.


Quite right. (Out of interest, here is a picture of the coin.) http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=92561

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Badger wrote:
IONIA wrote:
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I am not supporting either view of the matter, merely pointing out the OED's stance.


Quite right. (Out of interest, here is a picture of the coin.) http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=92561





Damn! That link does not seem to be working at the moment.

After despatching my last post it occurred to me to consult my copy of Grose (Eric Partridge's edition, 1931). Partridge has this to say, after repeating Grose's comments:

"F supports Grose's tentative derivation, which, rejected by the OED, is championed by W - Not that I consider my opinion worth a dam(n), but Grose, F. and W seem to me to be right."


F = J.S. Farmer & W. E. Henley: "Slang and its Analogues", 1890-1904.
W = Ernest Weekley: "An Etymological Dictionary of Modern English", 1921.


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A further aside, Partridge is one of my heroes; I know no other who can make dictionaries so very readable. A few years back I discovered that my father found my first name (Alaric) in EP's Name This Child: it really made my day!

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