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Aside from cargo related to naval and military operations, how common was transportation of merchant goods on naval ships?

I ask because I came across this blog entry (with very nice pictures), which mentions wine carried on deck: Portuguese Navy Tall Ship N.R.P. Sagres in San Diego - June 8, 2010

Look at the fifth picture and the text just above it.

(I hope the ship will be in Honolulu Harbor, so I can visit it.)

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Apart from specie, which was a special category, the carriage of privately owned merchandise on RN ships was forbidden from at least the mid-17th century. (I am ignorant of the finer points of this rule - whether it was still an offence if not done for profit?). From memory, Samuel Pepys had one captain up on a charge relating to this sort of thing.

Specie was a different matter and captains were entitled to a small percentage (1.5% reduced to 1% in 1831) on the carrying of private consignments of this nature. I think it was formalised by an Act of George IV. Basil Hall of the CONWAY would have made some profits out of this arrangement, I think. In 1820 HMS TYNE returned to the UK from South America with more than £700,000. (the £10500 commission would have been shared out in the proportion 50% to the captain, 25% to the CinC, 25% to Greenwich hospital). South America and Mexico were lucrative markets!


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What a gorgeous bunch of night shots. Thank you for posting those, Susan. I'm envious!! :mrgreen:
Hope you can get to see her in Honolulu. Post some pix if you do?
Was aboard in Halifax last year, & she was also in Belfast when we were. A very spiffy ship, all spit-&-polish. They were quite thrown off their clockwork routine when the flag snagged coming down. I got a kick out of the brass belaying pins.

What, exactly, was "specie"? Coins? Gold? Other forms of valuables? If you saw a cargo of it, what exactly would you be looking at? I've seen it mentioned numerous times but never been entirely clear just what it was.
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Alison wrote:
What a gorgeous bunch of night shots. Thank you for posting those, Susan. I'm envious!! :mrgreen:
Hope you can get to see her in Honolulu. Post some pix if you do?
Was aboard in Halifax last year, & she was also in Belfast when we were. A very spiffy ship, all spit-&-polish. They were quite thrown off their clockwork routine when the flag snagged coming down. I got a kick out of the brass belaying pins.

I did, indeed, get to see her. Lovely ship! She was moored just across the water from Falls of Clyde, so we had a good view of her. She left yesterday.

All those belaying pins must be a pain to keep polished. I had to smile at the fire buckets (with water). When I pointed them out, the sailor I was speaking with said they were just decorative.

I was also pleased to see them using traditional bosun's chairs. Before I injured my finger, I was working on one. Now that my finger is better, I just haven't had the time to complete it (need to finish the splice, do the seizing, and then some turks heads).

Will post a few pics later.

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Here's a pic of a cask of madeira that was on the poop deck: Vinho Maderia

And a link to pics of the ship on my blog: NRP Sagres - Honolulu Harbor

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Nice pix. I bet it was entertaining watching the tugboats pushing her around!

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Alison wrote:
What, exactly, was "specie"? Coins? Gold? Other forms of valuables? If you saw a cargo of it, what exactly would you be looking at? I've seen it mentioned numerous times but never been entirely clear just what it was.
Thanks!



I think that technically it means/meant minted coins. However, the regulations may have taken a broader view because by the early 19th century it seems to have encompassed coin, bullion and jewels, both public and private. It was usually referred to as "freight".


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