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Post Two unusual incidents

I am a new member of this discussion forum and I wonder if I could enlist members' help to get more information about two incidents which allegedly occured during the battle of "The Glorious First of June".

Firstly, on board Tremendous, 74, a baby was born and given the name "Daniel Tremendous MacKenzie" In 1847 he was awarded the Naval General Service medal for his presence at the battle where he was recorded on the ship's books with the rating of "baby". I have primary source evidence for all of this, but I have no information about his mother. Can anyone give any information about her?

Secondly, Defense, 74, under Captain Gambier (a notoriously dour Scot with the nickname "Dismal Jimmy") was the first ship to break the French line and became embroiled in an action with three of the french line of battle. She was totally dismasted, but continued to fight. A fourth French ship, possibly the French flagship then approached. Allegedly the following exchange took place between one of Defence's lieutenants and Captain Gambier:

Lt: “Damn my eyes, sir, but here is a whole mountain coming upon us; what shall we do?”

Capt: “How dare you, sir, at this awful moment , to come to me with an oath in your mouth? Go down. Sir, and encourage your men to stand to your guns like brave British seamen.”

I only have a secondary source for this quote. Can anyone point me towards a primary source, and can anyone tell me the name of the lieutenant involved?

Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:43 pm

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The story about Gambier appears in Barrow’s “Life of Richard Earl Howe”.

The French three-decker was the REPUBLICAIN and the officer was the Lieutenant of the after part of the main-deck.

Barrow checked this story with Gambier some years later which, I suppose, makes it close to a primary source!

Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:19 pm
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Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:45 am
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Post Re: Two unusual incidents
Here is another unusual incident, this time from Above and under Hatches - Recollections of James Anthony Gardner, from his time aboard Boreas, 28:

" ...... While in the harbour, alongside the jetty, a cat flew at the sentry on the gangway and fixed on his shoulder, and it was with great difficulty the animal could be removed; the sentry fell in a fit and dropped his musket overboard and was subject to fits while he remained in the ship. ...."

- Mil -
aka Mary ....

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