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 Mutiny on the Scheldt 
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Post Mutiny on the Scheldt
It has been generally accepted that the Danish ship-of-the-line Prins Christian Frederick was the last ship-of-the-line in the Danish navy during the Napoleonic wars. This ship was destroyed by British action on 23 March 1808 at the Battle of Zealand Point.
BUT:
In translating from the Danish
(Danish) T. A. Topsøe-Jensen og Emil Marquard (1935) : Officerer i den dansk-norske Søetat 1660-1814 og den danske Søetat 1814-1932 : (Officers of the Danish-Norwegian Naval Service 1660 -1814 and the Danish Naval Service 1814-1932) There are clear reports of two Danish Officers operating on the Scheldt in 1808 and early 1809 in two ships-of-the-line captained and crewed by Danes. The officers, Frederick Christian Holsten (page 625 of Volume I of reference) and Jørgen Conrad de Falsen (page 360 of same) were replaced in February 1809 as captains of these ships by French captains and effectively mutinied, refusing to accept orders. Both were arrested and sentenced to six months’ confinement in Frederickshavn Citadel in Denmark. Lieutenant Holsten’s ship is named as Pultusk, Lt. Falsen’s ship is not named.
I cannot find these ships on http://www.threedecks.org or in the Danish Orlogmuseet catalogue. Danish territory at that time still extended down to Hamburg (though occupied by French and Spanish allies of Denmark)
Can anybody clarify whose ships these were?

A confused Viking! :?


Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:27 pm
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Post Re: Mutiny on the Scheldt
By agreement between France and Denmark, two new French ships of the line, PULSTUCK 86 and Dantzick 86, lying in the Scheldt were to be transferred to Denmark and manned by Danish crews. The crews were recruited from Danish merchantmen and officers were sent from Denmark in 1808 to bring the ships home. As the Scheldt was blockaded by a British squadron this did not happen. In 1809 the Danish crews were ordered to travel by land to Brest to take over two ships lying in that port. They refused. The Captains were arrested and replaced by two other Danish officers. In 1811 crews were sent from Denmark to man two more ships of the Scheldt fleet – ALBANAIS 82 and DALMATE 82. None of the ship[s in the Scheldt got further than the mouth of the river and in 1813 the Danish personnel were recalled to Denmark. (Paraphrased from Anderson’s “Naval Wars in the Baltic”).


Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:37 am
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:D Merci! Mange Tak! and Thank You


Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:15 pm
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Post Re: Mutiny on the Scheldt
All four vessels are Pluton class French 74's built at Antwerp (Anvers).

Designed by Jacques Noel Sane and armed with
28 x 36lbs
30 x 18lbs
16 x 8lbs
4 x 36lb Obusier

Pultusk launched 1807/09/20 (Demerliac says the name Pulstuck is an error. The ship is named after a French victory over the Russians in 1805)
Dantzig launched 1807/08/15

Demerliac lists both as having Danish officers and crew between 1808 and May 1813 not that they were transfered to the Danish navy.

Pultusk became the Dutch 'Waterloo' in 1814

The Dalmate and Albanais were launched 1808-08-21 and 1808-10-02 respectively. Demerliac notes them as having Danish officers and crew from April 1809 to May 1813, but again no transfer.

Hope that helps

Cy


Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:33 pm
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Post Re: Mutiny on the Scheldt
The Danish crews were placed in the original two ships under the terms of the agreement referred to which provided for transfer of the ships to Denmark. The French used the British blockade as an excuse for not transferring them.


Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:29 pm
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