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Post Remembering Camperdown
Today is Camperdown Day.

The fleets approached on 11 October according to Ships' Logs time and 12 October according to land time.

Remembering Adam Duncan and his brave lads.

Duncan's approach formation at Camperdown has given rise to much debate but its similarity to Nelson's approach at Trafalgar is uncanny and one can't help feel that there was at least the possibility of influence on the ideas developing in Nelson's mind.

"...the name of Duncan will never be forgot by Britain, and, in particular, by its Navy..."
Nelson and Bronte to Lt. The Hon. Henry Duncan, 4 Oct 1804

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David Seymour wrote:
Remembering Adam Duncan and his brave lads.

Yes! Thank you. Unfortunately, Duncan and many other deserving officers are overshadowed by Nelson's deeds.

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David Seymour wrote:
Today is Camperdown Day.
Duncan's approach formation at Camperdown has given rise to much debate but its similarity to Nelson's approach at Trafalgar is uncanny and one can't help feel that there was at least the possibility of influence on the ideas developing in Nelson's mind.



The question of whether Nelson derived any inspiration for Trafalgar from the battle of Camperdown, in respect of an approach in two columns and enveloping part of the enemy’s line, is not proven. However, it has been clearly established that the idea of approaching in two columns and of envelopment was not in Duncan’s mind at Camperdown. Duncan had no intention of fighting the battle in the way that it happened (despite the claims of Clerk of Eldin). He ordered his ships to pass through the enemy's line and engage their opposite numbers from leeward (in order to prevent the escape of the Dutch). The approach in two “columns” (they were actually trying to form a line of bearing) and the concentration on the Dutch rear by the British van, leaving the Dutch centre alone, was fortuitous and was the result of ships being out of position on the approach. As Duncan wrote to the First Lord, "...... I was obliged to lay all regularity and tactics aside, we was so near the land, or we should have done nothing" and this should be remembered when considering St. Vincent's view of Duncan's conduct at Camperdown, "..... he was a gallant Officer (but had no idea of tactics, and being soon puzzled by them); and attacked, without attention to form and order, trusting that the brave example he set would achieve his object, which it did completely".


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So, he was leading by example and placing trust in his fellow officers. In effect; "no captain can do very wrong if he places his ship alongside that of an enemy".
The more I hear about Duncan the more he fascinates me.

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So, he was leading by example and placing trust in his fellow officers. In effect; "no captain can do very wrong if he places his ship alongside that of an enemy".
The more I hear about Duncan the more he fascinates me.


Sea Road to Camperdown by Showell Styles


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Hello Alan,

Welcome to the SN Forum!

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Sea Road to Camperdown by Showell Styles


Yes, an excellent book.

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Just found your entry on this Volume in the Fiction Forum

(Grandma and eggs come to mind

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Great Yarmouth remembers the Dutch prisoners.

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